We are a couple looking for a group orgy that is safe. We would like to be discreet and overall have a good time. WE DO NOT PLAY ALONE, THAT MEANS COUPLES OR SINGLES! WE ARE ALWAYS TOGETHER SO DO NOT ASK! FRUSTRATING UPDATE Single women, or those old fat bastards with nothing better to do than act like single women. This goes for you both equally. We WILL ask you to prove you are a female. This is simple. Turn on your cam, long enough to let us know you are real, call us after we give you our number(you can block yours), or take a picture that we ask you to take and e-mail it to us. Not all of these have to happen, only one. We just need to know you are real before we waste any time chatting with you, only to find out you're full of shit. Single men, you are a dime dozen. We'll find you if we need you. Couples, some of you are sketchy too. We chat with what appears to be sexy couple, then woops, she's always out of town, or he can't show pics because of his job. Seriously people, no one is out of town that much, and we obviously don't work with you, you can see our pics. We really don't understand why most people online make things so damn difficult. We all know why we are here. If you don't, maybe you should sit down together and figure it out before you jump online. If your single, talk to yourself, whatever it takes to be sure you know who you are, what you want, and how you're going to make it easier for us to get past the verification b.s. and on to chatting, meeting for dinner/drinks, then having a good time. We're as normal as they come. We have jobs, s, family's, all of which come before our time in the "lifestyle". Odds are, we will never be able to jump up and meet you for drinks with 20 minutes notice, we have to plan ahead. We usually get out 2 maybe 3 Saturdays a month. That doesn't mean we can't set up a lunch date, quick drink, or chat and get to know you then plan accordingly for fun. We won't waste your time, don't waste ours. If we're not into you, we will let you know. Not in a jackass, we're better than you kind of way, we'll simply let you know you are not one or both of our types. Be realistic, attraction just happens, and you know when it does, and we are not attracted to everyone. Ok, on this site, we are not attracted to most, there are some nasty freaks on here, lol. Don't knock us til you try us, our peralities are not summed up in this frustrating rant. We have much more depth than that. WARNING: Any institutions using this site or any of its associated sites for studies or projects - You do NOT have our permission to use any of our profile, pictures, or web cams in any form or forum both current and future. If you have or do, it will be considered a serious violation of our privacy and will be subject to legal ramifications. It is recommended that other members post a similar notice to this. My Ideal Per: This is a stretch. We're looking for real people. Couples, singles, in the flesh, true to life, real people. We do have standards, so we're not gonna be interested in everyone that comes our way. So do us and yourself a favor, be honest with us and yourselves. We're not hard people to get along with, we're just tired of weeding through the b.s to find more b.s. We work out, stay neatly trimmed, don't stink, have all of our teeth, can carry on a conversation, don't get sloppy retarded drunk, and above all, are completely honest. We like to meet, IN PER, after we determine that everyone has an attraction. Getting on cam is ok to see what each other look like, but it's just not that fun for sex, the angles and sensations are much better in per. Any questions at all, don't hesitate to ask. Anyone interested, at all? We're not evil, but getting close.