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are you, you? since 2000, there have been exactly 10 instances of voter fraud in the millions of people voting. ten. that's a quote from jon stewart....so don't blam me if its wrong but i trust hsi fact finders. considering that the impact of picture identifications is unfairly skewed both financially and logistically against the elderly, the minorities and the poor...passing a voter ID law seems a snarky thing to do to inhibit democrat process. Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students. Many citizens find it hard to get government photo IDs, because the underlying documentation like birth certificates (the ID one needs to get ID) is often difficult or expensive to come by. At the same time, voter ID policies are far more costly to implement than many assume. The Brennan Center conducts research on voter ID, proof of citizenship, and in-person voter fraud. Brennan Center attorneys also assist policymakers and advocates seeking to oppose unnecessarily restrictive ID and proof-of-citizenship requirements and improve the security of elections without compromising American citizens’ right to vote. Our research, publications, and other work on voter ID include: •A detailed summary of voter ID laws passed since the beginning of 2011. •Letters to the Department of Justice regarding some of the most restrictive new laws passed in 2011, urging that the Department deny the laws "preclearance" under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. •Congressional responses and actions related to the recent wave of voter ID legislation and other suppressive legislation. •Voting Law Changes in 2012, our full report on the new restrictive voting laws passed or proposed in 2011, including new photo ID requirements. •A summary of voting laws passed or pending since the beginning of 2011. See the full appendix. •Comprehensive roundup of research and publications on voter ID. •Responses to unsubstantiated allegations of fraud that have misinformed the push for ID laws. •A survey to determine the extent to which American citizens possess government-issued photo ID and documentary proof of citizenship. We reported that 11 percent of voting-age American citizens—and an even greater percentage of African American, low-income, and older citizens—do not have current and valid government-issued photo IDs. These findings have been confirmed by multiple independent studies. so, will a bill from your electric company work? a wage statement? your social security card which is after all a federal document.... NOPE give us a break republicans....is this really the way you want to win an election? not bad enough that you've blocked every attempt a seated president has made to pass legislation. not bad enough that taken your ball and gone home. now you want to block the gate to the playground so no one can play? really? You cannot conceive the many without the one. |
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YES The elephants will steal this election any way they can manage, Wicked. THey will tell outrageous lies, loudly and without shame. THey will subvert the electoral process by any and all means; GREED has no boundries, and the 1/10 of 1% don't yet have it all, so they are greedily trying to get it all. Check out the Judge in Florida's comments when he upheld their law: (I'll paraphrase so you don't have to: The Legislative leader of the Florida law stated, for the record, "This will win Florida for Romney!" and the judge took note of that comment, but let the law stand" Are you shocked? (I fear not) Chas
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GOOD BLOG    ---------------------Dennis US ARMY (RETIRED) AND YOUR FRIEND I never mean to offend(blog or comment) anyone ,If I do contact me please. Please check out my blog Harley-Davidson Drive(19harley86)
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WE, there is, of course, a different point of view, to wit: Voter ID laws are good for democracy Article by: Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom , Los Angeles Times Updated: August 14, 2012 - 7:51 PM Many of the voter ID laws will first be tested in the 2012 presidential election. Without a personal identification card issued by some level of government, you are a second-class citizen. You cannot board an airplane, ride an Amtrak train, buy a six-pack of beer or a pack of cigarettes, open a checking account, enter many public and some private office buildings or even attend an NAACP convention without proving that you are who you say you are. You cannot even qualify for means-tested public support programs such as Medicaid without valid identification. These requirements have provoked strikingly little objection from the American public. No one argues that it is grossly discriminatory to deprive people without picture IDs access to this wide range of places, programs and activities. But when it comes to voting, that is exactly the argument. The Democratic Party, the attorney general of the United States and a vocal chorus from the civil rights community are waging war on voter photo ID laws enacted recently in 10 states, laws they see as part of a new voter suppression movement. In their view, measures ostensibly designed to limit the franchise to people who are U.S. citizens and legal residents of the jurisdiction in which they seek to vote have the real purpose of disfranchising poor people in general and especially poor African Americans and Latinos. The charge leveled against photo ID requirements has a particularly nasty echo: It is, critics say, no different than the Jim Crow poll tax used in Southern states until the mid-1960s to keep blacks from the voting booth. But the Supreme Court has addressed that issue. In a 2008 decision upholding Indiana's voter ID law, the opinion of the court, written by Justice John Paul Stevens - certainly no conservative - dismissed the poll tax argument on the grounds that the state had a legitimate interest in preventing voter fraud. Five justices agreed with him. Critics of ID requirements assert that voting is special - a right, not a privilege, and therefore not comparable to things like driving a car or gaining access to the NAACP convention. But the distinction is not so clear. Medicaid is arguably a right for those who are income eligible. And rights are not absolute. Nine-year-olds cannot vote; nor can illegal immigrants. An estimated 1 million illegal immigrants live in Texas today. If many of them turned up at the polls and were able to vote in the absence of a requirement for government-issued identification, the right of all Texas citizens to choose their representatives might be seriously compromised. Many of the voter ID laws will first be tested in the 2012 presidential election. For now, no one can say with great certainty how they will affect minority and low-income political participation, and that's a question that deserves further study. New York University's Brennan Center for Justice recently issued a report claiming that 11 percent of voting-age citizens who live in the states that have passed voter ID laws currently lack valid identification credentials. The Brennan Center also marshals evidence that getting IDs could be difficult for these mostly poor, mostly minority and often elderly citizens. But how many of those who lack an ID actually voted in the past? Over the last four presidential elections, nearly 40 percent of American citizens eligible to cast a ballot did not bother to do so. It is reasonable to surmise that a high proportion of the people who had not taken the trouble to get a government-issued photo ID may be among that huge group of no-shows. If they weren't going to vote anyway, new ID laws wouldn't affect their behavior. In the case of Indiana, whose voter ID law was in effect for the 2008 presidential election, there is some data about participation. That was a very good year for Democrats in general, but Democratic turnout rose more in Indiana, with its ID law in force, than in any other state. Georgia, which also had a new voter ID law in place that year for the first time, also had a huge jump in turnout, almost all of it from Democratic voters. There are better and worse ID laws, and it seems obvious that the requisite proof of identity should not be needlessly burdensome to get; the process should be made as convenient as possible. The Texas Department of Public Safety, for example, provides free election identification cards to citizens who request them. Every state should make acquiring an ID equally easy. President Ben Jealous of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has blasted voter ID laws and called for a "high tide of registration and mobilization and motivation and protection." If, indeed, the voter ID laws inspire drives to register citizens and get them to the polls (and get them photo IDs), won't America be better off? More people will gain the freedom to watch an argument in a court of law, board a train or a plane, and even buy a bottle of Scotch. Democracy will have been enhanced. Sensible civil rights advocates might consider that, and join the drive for ID laws. ------- Stephan Thernstrom is a professor of history emeritus at Harvard University. Abigail Thernstrom is vice chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. Her most recent book is "Voting Rights - and Wrongs: The Elusive Quest for Racially Fair Elections." They wrote this for the Los Angeles Times. Distributed by MCT Information Services
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A photo ID is required to go through every airport's security. Driver's licenses serve as photo IDs. Here in NV the DMV issues a free photo ID until your license is sent. What's required? a birth certificate. I also have to show my photo ID to use my casino points rewards card to enjoy a meal. Photo IDs are used quite often with credit and debit cards to cut fraud. It has been a few years but I believe most college students have photo IDs to go thru the meal lines at the dorms, etc. Photo IDs are required at pharmacies, hospitals, etc. Medical personnel have to have photo IDs as do the military. Teachers and people who work with children have to have photo IDs and an FBI fingerprint check. If cost is the real concern, then why not have the government pick up the tab since they so readily pick up the tab for birth control,etc. That way, they'll know who doesn't mind being screwed over. Voting is one of our most precious rights we have as legal citizens in the USA. I for one, don't want my vote nullified by an illegal, a felon, a dead ghost, or someone using their dog's name to vote. One case of voter fraud is one legitimate vote that didn't get counted. I think the issue of photo IDs is only a problem for those who might be here under questionable circumstances. Never ignore those who care for you you will have lost diamonds while you were collecting stones
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When it comes to politics, oui... I don't believe a single fucking thing ANYONE says. Voter fraud? How about vote-fraud (you can leave the voter out; as much difference as that makes.) We could raise a 97% vote for (or against) any particular person or law... and still have the courts overturn the vote. And peeps are worried about voter ID implementation being a problem?  When the voting public comes to their senses and realizes that voting is designed solely to pacify people who ain't willing to fight for what they need or want... then we'll get back the Republic that Frankiln alluded would likely be lost. Until then... all we'll have is a bunch of spoiled brats running around punching chads and screamin' that one party or another is the caused of all the problems--those problems that ain't caused by the "rich", that is; or the "poor". What we'll have, until then, is a democracy--and contrary to the progressive belief system... or any other belief system... that word (democracy) ain't even in the US Constitution. Of course, there's a reason for that. But... who's gonna research why that is? And, hey--who really gives a shit about that old rag, anyway? The Progressive/Marxist agenda has been carryin' us along, toward Armageddon, just fine... for decades which total damned near a century. Ao... why quit a good thing just because we're broke, hated, impotent, confused, God-less... and virtually commie-tose? Nikita would be well pleased with our self-burial. HEY--Niki! I gotta Cuban missle crisis I can let ya have--real cheap, Bro. Solar...
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I wish I still believed in the democratic process, but there are too many people with self interest for it to work any more. I just hope I can live long enough to see the pendulum swing the other way, I don't expect that to happen.
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Another interesting article, WE: Study: 1.8 Million Dead People Still Registered To Vote by Pam Fessler February 14, 2012 Democrats and Republicans don't agree on much. But they do agree that voter registration lists across the country are a mess. A new report by the Pew Center on the States finds that more than 1.8 million dead people are currently registered to vote. And 24 million registrations are either invalid or inaccurate. There's little evidence that this has led to widespread voter fraud, but it has raised concerns that the system is vulnerable. Election officials say one problem is that Americans move around a lot. And when they do, they seldom alert the local election office that they've left. Ben Skupien, a registered voter who now lives in Northern Virginia, is pretty typical. He has moved repeatedly over the years and says he's probably registered to vote in about a half-dozen states. "The assumption, I would think, is that they would do the courtesy of letting the other states know that if you're registered with a new state, [the old registration] would no longer apply," said Skupien. In fact, states seldom share such information. The Pew study found that almost 3 million people are registered to vote in more than one state. Voters also die, which leads to another problem, says Linda Lamone, who runs Maryland's elections. "If a John Smith lives in Maryland and goes to another state, say on vacation, and dies," Lamone said, "the law of the state where John Smith dies dictates whether or not the Maryland vital statistics people can share that information with me." And even when they do — or if a person dies in-state — there's often a delay before election officials are alerted. It's also not always clear that the individual on the death certificate is the same one who's registered to vote. Election officials still have to do a lot more digging to avoid accidentally taking someone off the rolls who is very much alive. Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed says it's amazing how many times his state has come across names on the voter rolls that appear to be the same person, but turn out not to be. "We've even had cases, in very small counties, people [with the] same name and same birth dates," added Reed. He said that has led to inaccurate reports that "dead" people are voting. He admits there have been a few cases in his state where widows or widowers have cast ballots for former spouses, but he said such fraud is very rare. Still, election officials say it's important that the public have confidence in the system. So Washington and seven other states — Oregon, Colorado, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, Utah and Nevada — are joining a pilot program to share more voter information and other databases, to try to make their lists more accurate. David Becker, director of election initiatives at Pew, which organized the project, said he hopes to have the program implemented in time for November's general election. "What this system will do is it will take in data from the states who choose to participate, specifically motor vehicles data and voter registration data, and it will be matched, along with some data that many states use already, like national change of address data from the Postal Service," said Becker. The data will be matched with other government databases as well, such as death records from the Social Security Administration. Becker thinks that should help states weed out duplicates and mistakes more quickly and accurately. He said the program will also allow states to identify some of the more than 50 million Americans who are eligible to vote but aren't registered. Election officials can then contact them and encourage them to sign up. It all sounds great to Lillie Coney of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a research group in Washington, D.C. But she and other privacy advocates say they'll be watching closely to make sure all this new data-sharing actually leads to more accurate voter rolls. "We do know that there are a lot of people who want to believe that that in fact will be the case, but we want to see the numbers," said Coney. Coney recalled another data-matching program in Florida where legitimate voters were confused with convicted felons and mistakenly removed from the rolls. Becker said no one's name will be deleted automatically. Officials are required by law to try to contact the voter first.
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WE, and what is a thinking person suppose to conclude when one reads articles like the following? And mind you, this is not an isolated article on this subject. Are we to ignore such information? Would you have me write off such articles and just attribute them to "evil right-wingers"? Hmmmmmmmm? ROB THE VOTE! Obama's secret strategy for staying in power -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Obama administration is widely regarded as the most lawless in U.S. history. This much you already know. Not enough votes to pass Obamacare? Bribe senators. Don't like the Defense of Marriage law? Refuse to defend it in court. Congress won't pass the "Dream Act" granting amnesty to a million illegals? Do it yourself by executive fiat. Don't want to defend America's borders? Sue states that do. Don't like congressional inquiries? Ignore their subpoenas. Obama's violations are so blatant and manifold that nine states have joined together to sue the federal government for its rampant lawlessness. So, now comes election time – and guess what the Obama administration's approach is to America's most sacred and fundamental civic institution. Right: Utter lawlessness. The actions and intentions of Team Obama, if distilled into words, would be this: To hell with "the law." We're using every means possible to retain power and establish a permanent progressive voting majority in this country. Incredibly, in today's America, voter fraud has become an essential component of how Democrats win elections. This largely unreported national scandal is laid out with jaw-dropping clarity in the August issue of WND's monthly Whistleblower magazine – titled "ROB THE VOTE: Obama's secret strategy for staying in power." As "ROB THE VOTE" documents, Obama's reelection strategy – besides bribing his core constituencies in hopes of cobbling together a winning voting coalition – is to encourage, enable and empower widespread abuse of America's election system in a multiplicity of ways. After all, non-citizens, illegal aliens, felons, multiple-state voters, dead people and other ineligible voters constitute a vital Obama constituency. And make no mistake, the left's get-out-the-illegal-vote campaign is in full swing. Highlighted in one "ROB THE VOTE" report is the most disgraceful of all abuses of America's election system – the consistent suppression, disqualification and mishandling of votes cast by America's soldiers (who statistically lean Republican) who are deployed overseas while protecting their nation. Believe it or not, for the November 2010 midterm election, less than 5 percent of military voters "were able to cast an absentee ballot that counted," according to data released by the federal Election Assistance Commission. In another in-depth report in this issue, researcher James Simpson sums up the left's campaign to corrupt America's election system thusly: "Like a KGB operation, it is thorough, multifaceted and redundant. It has overt and covert, illegal and legal elements, the latter of which are designed, at least in part, to facilitate illegal activities later. It is a deliberate, premeditated, comprehensive plan to win the 2012 presidential election at all costs, and is in keeping with the organizational methods, associations and ethics of the community-organizer-in-chief, Barack Obama." Highlights of "ROB THE VOTE" include: • "The election fraud lobby" by Joseph Farah, on today's vast network obsessed with winning "by any means necessary" • "Rob the vote" by David Kupelian, on Obama's little-known plans for winning a second term in the White House • "Suppressing the military vote – again" by Art Moore, on how America's soldiers are routinely denied the right the vote • "Less than 5 percent of military voters ‘were able to cast an absentee ballot that counted'" • "The left's national vote fraud strategy exposed" by James Simpson, a comprehensive look at the long-term, multi-faceted campaign aimed at taking over America by corrupting her elections • "Surprise! Taxpayers still paying for ‘defunct' criminal vote-fraud group" • "Study: U.S. voter rolls include 2 million dead people" • "Proof of voter fraud in nation's capital" by Chuck Norris, on videos that show why Obama depends on mind-boggling laxity at polling places • Obama readying ‘thousands of lawyers' for November election • "The Democrats' election forgery racket" by Michelle Malkin • "Getting out the illegal alien vote" by Art Moore, on Arizonans' battle with the Obama administration to uphold federal immigration law • "DOJ tries to stop Florida from purging voter list of non-citizens" • "Has Obama turned over vote-counting to foreigners?" – profiling how a Spain-based firm's purchase of one U.S. company is raising lots of red flags • "National campaign solicits foreigners to register to vote" by Michael Carl • "Thousands of fraud cases just 'tip of the iceberg'" by Bob Unruh, in which election monitors warn that current abuse could lead to a "total breakdown in cohesion of American society" • "Obama's new scheme for stuffing ballot boxes" by former congressman Tom Tancredo, on how Eric Holder plans to "fundamentally transform" America's elections • "NAACP asks U.N. to judge American voter-ID laws" – about how communist and Muslim nations are being asked to assess U.S. fairness • "Democrats treat minorities like imbeciles" by Phil Elmore, exposing the absolute insanity of opposing photo-ID voting requirement • "The absurd myth of ‘GOP voter suppression'" by Hans von Spakovsky, on how widespread propaganda denies the existence of voter fraud, despite massive evidence • "Rolling Stone magazine: Voter fraud is a right-wing myth" • "Please – photo ID me!" by Star Parker, on why restoring integrity to America's elections is a matter of freedom instead of slavery • "Dead dogs for Obama" by Roger Hedgecock, who points out that it's not just deceased humans that are being targeted by ‘get-out-the-vote' groups. "Don't read this issue of Whistleblower if you have high blood pressure," said WND Managing Editor David Kupelian. "What leftist activists are doing with the aid of the Obama Justice Department is beyond outrageous." He added: "They must be stopped from totally corrupting America's electoral system. There's really no more important or consequential battle in our country today."
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And here's another one of those "pesky" articles which screams out that there are actually facts which support Republican support for voter ID laws. Those evil Republicans! This article is from The Examiner and is dated 10/21/2012. There are obviously verifiable vote fraud problems in North Carolina. In 2010 those problems surfaced meaningfully as indicated in the below voter fraud post from an earlier Charlotte Conservative Examiner article: “ Perhaps in an effort to promote North Carolina as one of the healthiest States in the Nation, this latest voter twist comes to us from Susan Myrick of the Civitas Institute in North Carolina--not to be confused with Rep. Sue Myrick of NC who is unrelated. In a radio interview with local WBT Anchor Tara Servatious, Susan reports that she has been keeping track of the number of votes in North Carolina of individuals over the age of 110 years and apparently we have quite a few, over 410 of the 110 year olds--to be exact-- actually voted via absentee ballot on October the 28th. Yes indeed, now it would appear that good ole NC has the market cornered on the Centenarian vote. “ At latest count, Susan has garnered a total Absentee Ballot vote of over 2,660 people over the age of 110. Someone contact the Guiness Book and warm up the Ford, the Fountain of Youth exists and its right here in lovely NC. It's no wonder people are moving here in droves--maybe the use of tobacco isn't such a bad thing after all? But, on a more serious note, with all of the irregularities going on all over the place, we can now begin to wonder about a few things. Apparently those ultra-healthy seniors over 110 have aged and are now astoundingly over 112 years old, and are still able to make it to the polls ahead of time. According to a post originally from the Silence Dogood political blog report, there were at least 758 individuals over the age of 112 who had either risen from their respective graves, or otherwise, to vote once again for the Democrats in charge, who might apparently have also guaranteed them an ever-lasting vote for life and beyond. In visiting the political tracking site, we later found the same story in evidence, except the number of centenarian voters had increased measurably to 832 voters over the age of 112. Of these voters, over 70% were slated as Democrats, with a diminutive 25% counted as Republicans. The rest were unaffiliated. When peering a little more deeply at the numbers we find that an astounding 2,374 people between the ages of 94 and 100 have already voted in the NC election to date. While an even more astounding 832 votes came from those individuals aged 112. However, according to the Guinness book of world records, the oldest living person in the world, at present, lives in Japan and is 114 years old. It would seem obvious that, according to the NC vote registry, this old fellow might be nudged aside in the near future, especially considering the crop of spry 112 year-olds seemingly alive and well in the old North State. In fact, two of the 112 year aged voters were mail-in ballots from overseas; ostensibly vacationing to escape the now bitterly polarized political contest, and who can blame them? But it gets worse when we note from another concerned voter, who indicated the following explanation, which goes but one full measure further to explain what's happening in NC during this voting season of , perhaps, persistent political zombies: “ I overheard a nice lady about 70 telling her friend the following: "Yes, I voted today." "Going back tomorrow too." "They took us to a place that don't ask names and don't write nothing down. They give $20 each time." She then handed her friend a card I couldn't see and told her friend to call the number. This same tipster later sent a message indicating that he had, indeed, contacted the local election center, who immediately patted him upon the head graciously for being a good citizen with a promise to check on it again much later, in due course. Obviously there is a problem, one in which voter ID might clearly provide a solution. A thing that only the Democratic party swears against at any cost, and for reasons becoming quite obvious. Barry Secrest, Charlotte Conservative Examiner
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And this recent report from the Associated Press .... DENVER (AP) - Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler says 300 more suspected noncitizens have been found on the state's voter rolls. They were among more than 3,900 people who received letters in August questioning their citizenship. Gessler's office previously said another 141 people who received letters appeared to be noncitizens, based on a federal immigration database. Elections officials did additional checks after obtaining more immigration identification numbers to run through the database. Gessler, a Republican, said Tuesday that he wants "to ensure the most accurate, reliable elections possible." It's the latest chapter in a contentious national debate over whether noncitizens are illegally registered to vote. Critics say the checks could disenfranchise eligible voters. Gessler says he forwarded the names to county clerks for any potential challenge at the polls." I really wanna believe you that there is absolutely no need for voter ID laws, but the reports I have been seeing are a wee bit troubling.
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