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Warning: This subject matter may not be for sexual abuse victims..you've been forewarned  

Heathen_G 65M
391 posts
11/7/2019 5:39 pm
Warning: This subject matter may not be for sexual abuse victims..you've been forewarned

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GhostofH 65M
22788 posts
11/14/2019 9:00 am
    Quoting Heathen_G:
    Warning: Now, before you read the paragraphs below, this topic is a grownup conversation, if you are a sexual abuse victim, you might want to stop reading here now. ..... fair warning has been given.

    This topic is more about whether someone should lose their job for having a different opinionfrom your own on a sensitive topic.

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    Ref: thesun.co.uk/news 30 Oct 2019 and ABC News 27 October 2019.

    Subject: Should a teacher be fired for stating her views on the subject of r.pe,
    which happened to be contrary to [some or most of] the students?

    A teacher is being investigated after suggesting to her pupils that r.pe victims "are partly to blame" if they wear skimpy clothes. As noted, in an ABC-News report, "She said if the man needs to be held accountable, the woman needs to be held just as accountable."
    [ABC News report said] "As the students of Swansea High have reminded us, rp is not caused by a woman wearing a short skirt. It is caused by a rpist. It is never the woman's fault."
    I see that as a fair statement. "Accountability", [taking personal responsibility for our individual safety] is something all of us should be held to, at some level.
    I also recognize, the statement, "It's never the woman's fault", as a dangerous statement to maintain as complete truth for every crime.
    Dozens of pupils staged a demonstration at the school, accusing the teacher of “victim-blaming” and calling for the school to get rid of her.
    I say the students are wrong to have the teacher fired. They should not be able to have her fired from her job because her opinion does not agree with some or most of the students opinions. Also to note, the article is from the students point of view, the teacher was not interviewed. [And I think she should have been interviewed].
    My observation; The teacher was not "Teaching" these girls to dress in head to toe cover up. The subject was about the 1950s and comparing how fashion had changed when the teacher brought up the story of a girl who was recently r.ped and was blamed for what she was wearing.
    I would have liked to know how the segue started from 1950's clothing to, oh by the way...
    That is an important detail.
    Heated debates in a class room, over a topic, should not lead to the firing of the teacher. Schools and universities are places for debate.
    Your thoughts on the matter?
Your timing of this post and point of view have some merit. Being this Armistice/Remembrance Day this week (Monday) we take a moment to reflect on the freedoms we all enjoy in the free world. (First Amendment etc.)

I don't know if you follow sports or Canadian news, but a well known albeit controversial sportscaster/commentator was recently fired for his on air comments. Sides are split in the decision to fire him, although his comments were not appreciated in the majority of those responding.

This case may be slightly different than the one you posted, however they are similar in many ways.

Firstly, did their opinion contradict those of their employers.

Secondly when they made the comments, were they speaking for themselves (personal opinion) or on behalf of their employers. Big point.

Thirdly, both parties (your example and my example) were not allowed to comment nor apologize/clarify their comment.

Fourthly, were the comments divisive? Meaning just because you have the right (Freedom of Speech/Expression) should you do so, and should the public have to accept it? (See KKK beliefs)

The example in Canada was due to the commenter singling out a specific class of the population. If he had said ALL people, his comment would have been less offensive or divisive.

And while I agree with you that schools, universities, and other learning institutions show be places for frank and open discussion/debate, it is a slippery slope when the moderator/teacher voices their personal opinion in matters and instead should encourage positive thought in the students to make the right choices in their own personal opinion.


Heathen_G replies on 11/15/2019 9:15 pm:
Heathen_G replies on 11/15/2019 9:14 pm [Delete Comment] :
Teachers/Professors are not in place to tell a student what is positive and what is negative. The student gets information, and the student comes to his/her own conclusion. But, no way, should this lead to getting an instructor fired.

As for Don Cherry? Yes, I heard and read about that. The step to fire him over saying, about immigrants to Canada who do not respect the tradition of wearing a poppy to honor Canadian Military, ...“You people... love our way of life, love our milk and honey. At least you could pay a couple of bucks for poppies or something like that. These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada.”

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that, that would cost a man his job.

This firing is just one more example of how delicate people of your country, mine, have gotten. Snowflake justice. That's what it is, and this needs to stop.

Heathen_G replies on 11/16/2019 3:17 am:
Evidently some snowflake got upset with Don's use of the wording , "You people"..... I don't see why he'd have to lose his job over that.

The "People" he is referring to, are the immigrants who chose Canada to live, to honor.... so wearing the red poppy should be done out of respect. Even I, a visiting foreigner, wore a red poppy when I visit Vancouver in the first half of November.

Solfan55 69M
500 posts
11/7/2019 7:12 pm

 A sexual abuse victim can't be involved in a "grownup conversation"?


Heathen_G replies on 11/8/2019 3:32 am:
Not this conversation. Why? Because I don't want them here, and because the primary question is:

Why should the teacher of this class, lose her job because her students do not agree with her opinion?

Heathen_G replies on 11/8/2019 4:56 am:
Anyway... never said they can't be on this one. They've just been warned about participating.

Cumdump_ 23F

11/7/2019 6:40 pm

 I would love to be ra.ped


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
11/7/2019 5:41 pm

 Warning: Now, before you read the paragraphs below, this topic is a grownup conversation, if you are a sexual abuse victim, you might want to stop reading here now. ..... fair warning has been given.

This topic is more about whether someone should lose their job for having a different opinionfrom your own on a sensitive topic.

=======

Ref: thesun.co.uk/news 30 Oct 2019 and ABC News 27 October 2019.

Subject: Should a teacher be fired for stating her views on the subject of r.pe,
which happened to be contrary to [some or most of] the students?

A teacher is being investigated after suggesting to her pupils that r.pe victims "are partly to blame" if they wear skimpy clothes. As noted, in an ABC-News report, "She said if the man needs to be held accountable, the woman needs to be held just as accountable."
[ABC News report said] "As the students of Swansea High have reminded us, rp is not caused by a woman wearing a short skirt. It is caused by a rpist. It is never the woman's fault."
I see that as a fair statement. "Accountability", [taking personal responsibility for our individual safety] is something all of us should be held to, at some level.
I also recognize, the statement, "It's never the woman's fault", as a dangerous statement to maintain as complete truth for every crime.
Dozens of pupils staged a demonstration at the school, accusing the teacher of “victim-blaming” and calling for the school to get rid of her.
I say the students are wrong to have the teacher fired. They should not be able to have her fired from her job because her opinion does not agree with some or most of the students opinions. Also to note, the article is from the students point of view, the teacher was not interviewed. [And I think she should have been interviewed].
My observation; The teacher was not "Teaching" these girls to dress in head to toe cover up. The subject was about the 1950s and comparing how fashion had changed when the teacher brought up the story of a girl who was recently r.ped and was blamed for what she was wearing.
I would have liked to know how the segue started from 1950's clothing to, oh by the way...
That is an important detail.
Heated debates in a class room, over a topic, should not lead to the firing of the teacher. Schools and universities are places for debate.
Your thoughts on the matter?


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