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Go and catch a falling star  

kzoopair 73M/71F
8610 posts
6/15/2015 9:55 am
Go and catch a falling star

Go and catch a falling star

It's been the monsoon season here after a fairly dry spring. The weather has been warm and always muggy with little respite from the humidity. I'm hearing thunder as I write this and the rain is coming down again. There were enough breaks in the deluge yesterday that I managed to finish a new pair of gates to the back forty, but even dodging the squalls I was drenched in sweat.

Finally a cool front blew in by early evening and PD, Gracie and I went out to sit by the garden. Gracie loves chasing her jolly ball outdoors and she had divots of grass torn up from tackling the ball and bringing it to bay. The air dried up considerably and we sat and talked, and occasionally heaved the soccer sized ball for Gracie.

PD had been musing about making Mayapple jelly. The plant is poisonous in large amounts, in that it might cause belly ache and the trots, so naturally PD is drawn to it. She had neighbors as a girl who were half Polish and half Potawatomi. They used to collect acorns and process them for meals, and PD has been fascinated by the art of gathering ever since. I promised to help her but I never promised to eat the Mayapple jelly. Mayapple is also known as American mandrake, and I remembered a line from an old poem, "Get with a mandrake root".



The root of the mandrake often resembles a fetus, or a gnarly little man, hence "get with ". But I couldn't quite recall what poem contained the line, and the best I could dredge up was "The Lament of the Makers" by the fifteenth century Scottish poet William Dunbar, which is of course incorrect, and I knew it wasn't right but couldn't for the life of me bring up the right one. The refrain in "The Lament of the Makers", Timor mortis conturbat me- fear of death troubles me- isn't exactly one I share, but I think it expresses something echoed by Jim Morrison centuries later: "No one here gets out alive."

Lament For The Makers
by William Dunbar

I that in heill wes and gladnes,
Am trublit now with gret seiknes,
And feblit with infermite;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

Our plesance heir is all vane glory,
This fals warld is bot transitory,
The flesche is brukle, the Fend is sle;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

The stait of man dois change and vary,
Now sound, now seik, now blith, now sary,
Now dansand mery, now like to dee;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

No stait in erd heir standis sickir;
As with the wynd wavis the wickir,
Wavis this warldis vanite.
Timor mortis conturbat me.

On to the ded gois all estatis,
Princis, prelotis, and potestatis,
Baith riche and pur of al degre;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

He takis the knychtis in to feild,
Anarmit under helme and scheild;
Victour he is at all mellie;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

That strang unmercifull tyrand
Takis, on the moderis breist sowkand,
The bab full of benignite;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

He takis the campion in the stour,
The capitane closit in the tour,
The lady in bour full of bewte;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

He sparis no lord for his piscence,
Na clerk for his intelligence;
His awfull strak may no man fle;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

Art-magicianis, and astrologgis,
Rethoris, logicianis, and theologgis,
Thame helpis no conclusionis sle;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

In medicyne the most practicianis,
Lechis, surrigianis, and phisicianis,
Thame self fra ded may not supple;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

I se that makaris amang the laif
Playis heir ther pageant, syne gois to graif;
Sparit is nocht ther faculte;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

He hes done petuously devour,
The noble Chaucer, of makaris flour,
The Monk of Bery, and Gower, all thre;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

The gude Syr Hew of Eglintoun,
And eik Heryot, and Wyntoun,
He hes tane out of this cuntre;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

That scorpion fell hes done infek
Maister Johne Clerk, and Jame Afflek,
Fra balat making and tragidie;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

Holland and Barbour he hes berevit;
Allace! that he nocht with us levit
Schir Mungo Lokert of the Le;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

Clerk of Tranent eik he has tane,
That maid the Anteris of Gawane;
Schir Gilbert Hay endit hes he;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

He hes Blind Hary and Sandy Traill
Slaine with his schour of mortall haill,
Quhilk Patrik Johnestoun myght nocht fle;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

He hes reft Merseir his endite,
That did in luf so lifly write,
So schort, so quyk, of sentence hie;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

He hes tane Roull of Aberdene,
And gentill Roull of Corstorphin;
Two bettir fallowis did no man se;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

In Dumfermelyne he hes done roune
With Maister Robert Henrisoun;
Schir Johne the Ros enbrast hes he;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

And he hes now tane, last of aw,
Gud gentill Stobo and Quintyne Schaw,
Of quham all wichtis hes pete:
Timor mortis conturbat me.

Gud Maister Walter Kennedy
In poynt of dede lyis veraly,
Gret reuth it wer that so suld be;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

Sen he hes all my brether tane,
He will nocht lat me lif alane,
On forse I man his nyxt pray be;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

Sen for the deid remeid is none,
Best is that we for dede dispone,
Eftir our deid that lif may we;
Timor mortis conturbat me.


"The Lament for the Makers is a favorite of mine, and as PD pointed out it reads like a chant and the refrain has a nice somber toll, like a heavy bell.

The poem with the line about mandrake root is the song "Go and catch a falling star" by John Donne (ask not for whom the bell tolls- it tolls for thee) a hundred years later. PD also pointed out that Donne's poem is lovely but misogynistic. You can take the girl out of the philosophy department but you can't take the philosophy department out of the girl.

Song: Go and catch a falling star
by John Donne

Go and catch a falling star,
Get with a mandrake root,
Tell me where all past years are,
Or who cleft the devil's foot,
Teach me to hear mermaids singing,
Or to keep off envy's stinging,
And find
What wind
Serves to advance an honest mind.

If thou be'st born to strange sights,
Things invisible to see,
Ride ten thousand days and nights,
Till age snow white hairs on thee,
Thou, when thou return'st, wilt tell me,
All strange wonders that befell thee,
And swear,
No where
Lives a woman true, and fair.

If thou find'st one, let me know,
Such a pilgrimage were sweet;
Yet do not, I would not go,
Though at next door we might meet;
Though she were true, when you met her,
And last, till you write your letter,
Yet she
Will be
False, ere I come, to two, or three.

To me this expresses what all of us feel when unlucky in love. We have a tendency to think that all is fakery, that there is no escape from perfidy and falsehood, and that all lovers are false and untrue. It isn't so of course. This is heartache talking. If we couldn't recover from it in time there would be no "Upon Julia's Clothes"….

Upon Julia's Clothes
by Robert Herrick

Whenas in silks my Julia goes,
Then, then (methinks) how sweetly flows
That liquefaction of her clothes.

Next, when I cast mine eyes, and see
That brave vibration each way free,
O how that glittering taketh me!




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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
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6/15/2015 10:27 am

I think I'll pass on the mayapple jelly and stick to mint jelly!


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/15/2015 10:28 am

    Quoting Megan6627:
    I don't feel unlucky. usually I feel blessed beyond measure, but at this very moment I feel defeated. I still don't know what that root is supposed to do, is it eaten, and if so how does one prepare it?
Mayapple jelly is made from the fruit of the Mayapple. Apparently you wait till it has nearly dried on the plant, just before it drops, to harvest it..

The root is hallucinogenic and narcotic, and was used for medicinal purposes in times pst, not so much nowadays. It was said that to pull a mandrake root would curse the puller- that the root would scream and curse its killer. The root was sometimes made into amulets and animals would be harnessed to the plant to do the pulling and avoid the curse.

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NaughtyInSO 113F
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6/15/2015 10:42 am

Nope, no Mayapple jelly for me - I prefer chocolate.

When a love affair is over and if it is his fault, I don't feel that ALL lovers are false and untrue, only the one who betrayed me.

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nightsoul1962 61F
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6/15/2015 10:45 am

Wow! I find the whole post very interesting and deep! You're writing ways always capture my whole self, without leaving room for distraction.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/15/2015 10:47 am

    Quoting spunkycumfun:
    I think I'll pass on the mayapple jelly and stick to mint jelly!
Me too. Nothing about Mayapple jelly sounded good to me. I do collect and sautee elderberry blossoms when they bloom and PD won't eat them. I guess she only trusts the Potawatomi. Elderbery blossoms are good fried in butter til golden brown and eaten as a side dish. They taste kind of nutty.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/15/2015 10:51 am

    Quoting NaughtyInSO:
    Nope, no Mayapple jelly for me - I prefer chocolate.

    When a love affair is over and if it is his fault, I don't feel that ALL lovers are false and untrue, only the one who betrayed me.
Well, me too Pet, but I think we've all seen people express this after being jilted. You want to tell them it ain't so and that they'll get over it...but the timing isn't right. you have to let them vent first and get it out of their system.

I'm voting with you and Spunky on the jelly. The dried fruits don't even look good.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/15/2015 10:55 am

    Quoting nightsoul1962:
    Wow! I find the whole post very interesting and deep! You're writing ways always capture my whole self, without leaving room for distraction.
Thank you honey! I don't think I'm all that deep, but I do love poets, especially Elizabethan poets.

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sweet_VM 65F
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6/15/2015 2:32 pm

KZ I am passing on this one too.. Very interesting post.. hugsssssssss V

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/15/2015 5:20 pm

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    KZ I am passing on this one too.. Very interesting post.. hugsssssssss V
PD likes the IDEA of gathering, in the same way she likes the idea of gardening. I don't much care for the idea of mayapple jelly, myself, unless I get really really hungry.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/15/2015 5:23 pm

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Now you're talking! Thank you dear heart!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/15/2015 5:32 pm

    Quoting mcmaniac:
    Yikes! The only thing I've ever eaten that I knew would give me stomach cramps was LSD. With all the rain we've had, NOW we have a tropical storm, soon to be a hurricane off the gulf that's headed straight for us.
We don't have a tropical storm, but Lake Michigan always has surprises for us, and there's one blowing across the lake headed our way right now. I have a leaky porch roof that I've repaired three times. It stops leaking for a month or two and then the son of a bitch starts up again. The roof looks great and it isn't very old. I hate to re-roof just a six by six foot area and try to blend it in with the rest of the roof, and I sure as hell don't want to do the whole damned roof to fix the one per cent that leaks. These are the times that try men's souls.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/15/2015 5:33 pm

    Quoting mcmaniac:
    Yikes! The only thing I've ever eaten that I knew would give me stomach cramps was LSD. With all the rain we've had, NOW we have a tropical storm, soon to be a hurricane off the gulf that's headed straight for us.
Isn't that storm Hurricane Bill?

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KItkat1415 61F  
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6/16/2015 6:26 am

"Go catch a falling star" is one of those poems that stuck me me, probably because of the rhythms of the way the words read. I tend to like those kinds of poems.
I don't see it as misogynistic as I see it as you do; when unlucky in love, surely no lover is true!
Good post,
Kk

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/16/2015 7:57 am

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Oh my, Sassy, if only you knew, if only you knew! Thanks!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/16/2015 8:10 am

    Quoting KItkat1415:
    "Go catch a falling star" is one of those poems that stuck me me, probably because of the rhythms of the way the words read. I tend to like those kinds of poems.
    I don't see it as misogynistic as I see it as you do; when unlucky in love, surely no lover is true!
    Good post,
    Kk
Thanks, KItkat. I like the rhythms of the three poems, but I think "Go and catch a falling star" evokes a bit faster pace in the mind. The other two elicit something more slow and measured. A meme of the seventeenth century, not meant to be literal in every instance, but conveying the pain of the moment.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/16/2015 6:45 pm

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It's wonderful to see you posting here again Lola. I've missed you. I'd love it you could both hang out with us!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/17/2015 11:53 am

    Quoting  :

I might TRY the Mayapple jelly, but I'm sure as hell not going to make a meal of it.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/17/2015 7:15 pm

I'm grizzled all right, but I'd probably starve if I had to do a Bear Grylls survival act. I could probably keep from freeing to death but I'm not too confident I could live off the land in the wilderness.

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sensualpassion72 59M/51F
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6/18/2015 4:20 am

Now I want FROG jelly... ( Fig, Raspberry, Orange and Ginger )


kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/18/2015 8:15 am

    Quoting sensualpassion72:
    Now I want FROG jelly... ( Fig, Raspberry, Orange and Ginger )
Ha! Frog jelly! What an unfortunate acronym for something that sounds good when explained...but sounds like something very different.

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LustyTaurus 55M
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6/18/2015 11:38 pm

I like horse radish, another root plant..but pretty sure there aren't any poems or mantras written bout it lol.


kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/18/2015 11:56 pm

    Quoting LustyTaurus:
    I like horse radish, another root plant..but pretty sure there aren't any poems or mantras written bout it lol.
I can't think of any either! But it rhymes with Kaddish.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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6/19/2015 8:22 pm

Thank you Apollo. One comment like that can keep me going for quite a while. Really, thank you!

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