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On being single and sexually liberated  

WaywardWhimsy 63F
236 posts
8/27/2016 9:22 am
On being single and sexually liberated


I’ve had some truly wonderful and reciprocal sexual experiences. However, I’ve also had some which were not. It seems that some men assume that if I’m single and sexually active I have not only automatically consented to sex but I have consented to it any which way; that being treated like a piece of meat is just part of the package I’ve agreed to.

“Oh well you were looking for sex so you should have known this is the way it goes” or “If you didn’t expect to be treated this way, you shouldn’t have put yourself out there.” Seriously? I’m expected to modify my behaviour but men don’t have to be accountable for theirs?

Consenting to sex seems to provide an excuse for some men to take advantage of or sexually degrade women without being held responsible. In this “hook-up culture” it’s become a prevalent way of behaving.

There’s the guy who seems to be a gentleman yet disappears after I tell him I’m not ready to have sex on the 3rd date.

There’s the guy I go home with for the first time who within 5 minutes of a little kissing is shoving his dick in my face expecting me to go down on him.

Or the guy I’ve occasionally slept with, who one night tells me he just “isn’t into it” unless it’s without a condom or anal, and then, despite my protests, proceeds to shove his unwrapped cock in and pump away thinking I’ll just get so lost in the moment I’ll stop asking him to put one on. I have to physically push him off and out.

Or the lover who shows up drunk at my door needing a place to crash for the night, and when we go to bed he starts pushing my head down forcibly. I resist, and he pushes harder. I shout “No” and he keeps pushing. Finally, I manage to wrestle my head away from his iron grasp and ask him what the hell he thinks he’s doing. “Oh, I thought you liked it rough. I thought you wanted that.”

Or what about the guy who promises to return the favor if I go down on him first (which then of course he doesn’t) or the guy who holds my head down when he cums and forces me to swallow. Or gag. Or both.

Or the guy who I invite over for dinner and a movie who halfway through the movie, unzips his pants and pulls out his cock.

Or the lover who, when I open the door, is standing there with two of his buddies, and tells me that tonight’s my “lucky night,” and that I get to have 3 guys at once. And when I finally convince him that it’s not going to happen and his buddies leave, still expects that I’ll have sex with him that night.

I’ve experienced this sort of thing time after time. I’ve said “No” and have either been made to feel guilty or been pressured until I went along with something I didn’t want to do. Is this what consenting sex looks like? Is this what being sexually liberated in our society looks like? Does being a single woman who enjoys sex mean I have to constantly defend my body and my morals or otherwise men will revert to treating me as nothing more than a collection of holes for their own use? Is this acceptable? Is this the price a woman has to pay if she chooses not to be celibate?

sokkerman99 55M
153 posts
10/27/2016 7:05 am

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ProfPlayful 53M
3861 posts
9/14/2016 8:39 pm

I offer a heartfelt hug, no strings, for the torment you've endured.

It's not your fault.

You are an honorable woman. You deserve to have honorable men in your life.

I wish I could apologize and cancel out those awful cretins. I wish I could save you from the neanderthals and the leeches. I wish I could make your time here worthwhile.

But I can't.

There are good men here, or so I believe. I pray that you find one soon, my dear.

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WaywardWhimsy replies on 9/16/2016 4:54 pm:
Thank you. There are good men on here. I've met a few of them.

I do know that it's not my fault but it is the price a single woman has to pay if she chooses to be both single and sexually active.

discreteSteve62 50M
2169 posts
9/13/2016 12:21 am

That's unfortunate, and in some of the cases you described, probably criminal. If you were willing to go through all the victim-blaming misery, some of those attacks could probably be prosecuted as some degree of unlawful sexual contact. All of them are inexcusable, tacky, and stupid.

One problem with this sort of site, and with "casual encounters" classified ads, is that in addition to people looking for good, mutual pleasure, there are jerks who see this site's past "get laid tonight" advertising* as something other than marketing nonsense. Or maybe, after writing hundreds of introduction e-mails and getting just a few replies, and of those, getting just a few in-person meetings, they think they've made it, and fail to recognize that they still have to pass one additional step, which is consent.

On the other hand, dating sites that are not (openly) focused on good mutual pleasure, as well as most in-person ways of meeting people, often also attract the wrong kinds of people: 1, the same kinds of jerks as some of those you encounter here, but they're even harder to filter out because the sites discourage expressions of interest in sex so they can't even be up-front about things that are deal-breakers for many people ("must love anal", "I like it rough", etc.); 2, people who aren't going to satisfy your desires because they're not sexually functional, only looking for someone to cook and clean, seeking only a long-term relationship (if you're looking for variety), etc.

In short, there's no easy answer. You might reduce the adverse encounters by more thorough screening, but there's a point where saying "Screen them more carefully" is just a variation on "What did you expect from guys on a sex-positive dating site?" It's just not fair that one is expected to avoid despicable behavior by more and more thorough screening, when the real answer should be for men to be respectful enough that screening is only necessary to find mutually attractive partners, not to screen out the jerks and the criminals.


WaywardWhimsy replies on 9/16/2016 4:57 pm:
No there is no answer. And it's not just this site or any other site. I don't even have to be on the internet to run into this kind of behaviour. All that it requires is that I be female. That's what's truly sad about it.

lomileage5 68M
10248 posts
9/5/2016 5:33 pm

I'm sorry that you have had such insulting experiences. other women have told me similar stories. Please do not presume that "all men" act in such manners. there are gentlemen out here too


WaywardWhimsy replies on 9/16/2016 4:59 pm:
I'm sorry if I gave the impression that all men are like this. It was not my intent to do that at all. I just thought it was something that needed to be talked about. And I think the more men who understand that this is what single sexually active women face, the more chance there is that it might eventually change.

OttawaMan43sum 53M
2220 posts
9/5/2016 3:03 pm

Yes, and it's challenging for some enlightened men who are standard members to demonstrate that they know how to treat a lady right.

WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/28/2016 12:53 am:
Great advice given. Thank you. Too bad, though, that enlightened relationships aren't as easy to come by. *grin*


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/4/2016 11:55 pm

No. That's not acceptable. We can do better. You have to demand it.

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WaywardWhimsy replies on 9/16/2016 5:01 pm:
I do have to demand it..but, really, how sad is it, that I do have to?

big_feetott 41M
18 posts
9/1/2016 3:34 pm

What ever happened to respect and honesty. You have to respect others not treat them like meat. Unfortunately those guys make it that much harder for any of the good guys.


WaywardWhimsy replies on 9/16/2016 5:08 pm:
I think they do make it harder for the good guys. If it were only a few that were like this, it wouldn't make it harder for them. But that's the problem...it isn't a case of just a few bad apples. I think it's a general mindset about women who have sex.

Not_here2meet 55F
3843 posts
8/28/2016 7:04 am

I believe there are many of us women who could have a group therapy moment on the amount of men who have tried forcing us into sexual experiences without our consent.

Hugs..I'm sorry you had to go through this

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WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/28/2016 8:08 am:
Exactly...I don't believe that there are any women who have not experienced this kind of thing. My examples are not the exception to the rule. It's become the norm.

I'm sorry too...that any woman who chooses not to be celibate has to go through these things.

OttawaMan43sum 53M
2220 posts
8/27/2016 9:24 pm

WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/27/2016 11:25 pm:
How men are raised, by who & the values they're taught all play a role, definitely. Somewhere these men have been misguided, I'm sure.

You know, it's not that I necessarily think that these sexual activities are wrong. It's the way they are presented. Like my consent is just a given. Actually, not even just my consent but that it's what I desire at that moment as much as they do.


I understand that your concerns are mainly with their presumptive approach. From their perspective, you have no business to be part of the decision-making process because it's not a mutual decision. It's a form of subjugation. My advice is to scratch them off your "to do" list and move on to more enlightened relationships where you can maintain your morals and standards without fear of being compromised.


WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/27/2016 9:53 pm:
I never thought of it that way..as a form of subjugation. But, of course, *as that lightbulb goes on in my head* it is.

Great advice given. Thank you. Too bad, though, that enlightened relationships aren't as easy to come by. *grin*

OttawaMan43sum 53M
2220 posts
8/27/2016 7:43 pm

WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/27/2016 2:26 pm:
You know, that just the thing I don't understand. These men I've mentioned by all other standards present themselves as reasonable and decent human beings in most other areas of their lives. How can their perception of women and sex be so skewed?

I'm not in any way a prude. I am more than happy to try new things and experiment sexually. I enjoy sex and it's many variations but I certainly don't want to be thought of as just a willing vessel of convenience for their pleasure only. If a man treats me as a human being and I don't know....maybe, actually talks to me about what he'd like instead of just springing this shit on me out of the blue....I might just be game.


In my experience, it's how men are raised, by who, and the values they're taught. One can be a hard worker but still be sexist.

These men manifest their true, unevolved nature when they let their other neanderthalic brains control their behaviour. They're rushing to obtain what they really want (sex) without recognzing the importance of establishing intimacy on different levels.

I feel for you and other women who continue to be subjected to these behaviours. Hopefully September will see the dawning of new, better relationships.


WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/27/2016 8:25 pm:
How men are raised, by who & the values they're taught all play a role, definitely. Somewhere these men have been misguided, I'm sure.

You know, it's not that I necessarily think that these sexual activities are wrong. It's the way they are presented. Like my consent is just a given. Actually, not even just my consent but that it's what I desire at that moment as much as they do.

sexynewf61 62M
2876 posts
8/27/2016 1:08 pm

I'm so sorry to hear that you had to deal with those type of men. Like what was responded, not all men are like that. I feel that sexual pleasure should be fun for both sides. Not just for the males. That if you request or stated that you will only have sex a certain way, then the men should respect your wishes. You can sit down and talk about something but make sure it's a mutual thing. Hope you do have good adventures in the future. Hugs

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WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/27/2016 7:43 pm:
I do have many good adventures too. I really do. But these kinds of experiences are off-putting and tend to make me mistrust most men's intentions. I've become more careful about things I shouldn't have to be careful about. I'm careful about how much I smile at a man. I'm careful about most of I say and do around men so as to not give 'the wrong impression'. God forbid, I joke around or talk about anything of a sexual nature...why that's like an open invitation.

velodelicious 50M
36 posts
8/27/2016 11:54 am

As with the other respondents here, I do find this post sad and disturbing. The best sex happens when each partner is more concerned with the other's pleasure than their own. Those guys clearly weren't.

D.


WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/27/2016 12:13 pm:
Clear to you and me. Not so clear to them...and that's the most disturbing thing about it. Some of these guys are genuinely surprised when I respond negatively to these kinds of advances.

thinkingofyou12 67M
4690 posts
8/27/2016 11:40 am

Oh my word, not all of the male gender are jerks and assholes,


WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/27/2016 12:09 pm:
That's true. Not all are. And I hope I didn't imply that. The unfortunate thing is that I (and I suspect many other women) have begun to take it for granted that this is the way the majority of men act. I don't like that I think this way. Because how sad and unfair is that to you good guys?

OttawaMan43sum 53M
2220 posts
8/27/2016 10:18 am

Wow, it does sound like you've had some truly dreadful experiences. Clearly these creeps don't know the meaning of appropriate behaviour, boundaries, and the word, "no".

Perhaps a kick in the balls would get their attention.


WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/27/2016 11:26 am:
You know, that just the thing I don't understand. These men I've mentioned by all other standards present themselves as reasonable and decent human beings in most other areas of their lives. How can their perception of women and sex be so skewed?

I'm not in any way a prude. I am more than happy to try new things and experiment sexually. I enjoy sex and it's many variations but I certainly don't want to be thought of as just a willing vessel of convenience for their pleasure only. If a man treats me as a human being and I don't know....maybe, actually talks to me about what he'd like instead of just springing this shit on me out of the blue....I might just be game.

rm_tigger044 58M
8 posts
8/27/2016 9:44 am

Wow that is really sad that has happened to you but I have heard of similar instances from women on here and in other social circles. I guess some men think that today everyone just want to get naked and boink right away, not get to know the person first. I hope the next time you meet someone it goes the way you would like it to


WaywardWhimsy replies on 8/27/2016 8:02 pm:
Well, we have become a society of expecting instant gratification in so many things that maybe this is just all part and parcel of that attitude. I really don't know. But it is sad...for both men and women, I think.

My view is that if a man wants to get naked and boink right away that's perfectly okay but only if I want the same thing. That's what makes anything okay sexually. Everybody needs to be on the same page.

And thank you.

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