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Damn You Fakes! Shoo Shoo! Update 5/1 Great conversation. Here are some ideas that stood out for me: - Make reporting easier. Put the 'report for abuse' link back on top of the profile - Put a 'report for abuse' link on the testimonials area - $1.00 mail in for member Confirmed ID - Buttons for Flirts and Invites (On, Match Cupid, Off) - Get rid of Super Flirt - Choose just which locations or person's they will accept these things from - Make the comment field mandatory when making an abuse report Have a good weekend! See you Monday same bat time, same bat channel. ---------------------------------------- Yeah, I'm tired of people from Ghana too. I hear, "stop the fakes" all the time so I thought I'd open a discussion around it. What is a fake? What do we do to stop them? So there are two kinds of fakes: 1) Spammers and bots trying to suck you into something. 2) Real people with fake pics, ages, locations. It's part of the problem with having a site with free registration. Understand that we are the biggest adult site in the world. We get billions of hits a month and are one of the top 50 sites on the web almost every month. How many fakes do we delete a day? Our customer service team deletes 5000+ fake accounts every day. That's at least 150,000 accounts a month. Sometimes it's much more. How do we delete fakes? We catch the low hanging rotten apples when they sign up. The ones we miss are the ones you see. We also rely on you to tell us who is a fake. Why do you miss so many? We keep a close eye on traffic coming into our site. If you hit us hard with bots, we know. The smaller ones we miss. It's very hard for us to spot fake pics and profiles. Our customer service team doesn't know all the porn stars, or even all the hot girls on google image search. Why are we such jerks when it comes to following up with you? You report something, then never hear back from us right? It's not because we don't want to tell you. We tag and bag every bad account. We know exactly why we disabled them. The reason we don’t provide a summary of our actions taken with a complaint has to do with protecting the privacy of our members. I think you'll find this is very common on most big websites. Why don't you tell me when my emails aren't delivered? If we told you why, you damn spammer, you would know how to tweak your bot to go around us. We lay out the rules up front, but don't tell you which rule you broke. We miss a few, and we block honest emails sometimes. You can always contact customer service and find out why a message was delivered to your bulk email folder. Can you just block IP addresses? We do, in very rare cases. It's just not an effective way of blocking someone anymore. IP addresses are as easy to change as your socks. What's with Ghana? I'm not sure why we don't just block that place. I assume people would just route through from another country if we did. We just have to deal with it the best we can. That's such a defeatist attitude, but it's the reality. We could probably change the name of Ghana to "Fake." What are you gonna do to reduce the noise? Some ideas: * Don't let standard members without a pic contact women * Give you the control to turn off Testimonials and Invites * Giving each pic a unique Senior Sizzle ID, if you ever Save As and paste that pic into another profile we'll know. What are your ideas? How are spammers contacting you? How do we block them?  |
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This is the hardest thing to avoid on any website that deals in sex and dating. Like you said the fake and BOTS will just adapt. There will never be a 100% elimination of them. As I said before and I say it again. The most logical way is through the Confirm ID method. You can still keep the Standard Members; however, those without confirmed ID should be limited from accessing certain forums of the site for free or have means of contact with other members unless they are contacted by a Premium or Confirmed ID member. The biggest problem is that so many members are against the Confirmed ID because they feel it is an invasion of their privacy or do not trust it being secured by Various Inc. not to be used or abused. Maybe if Various Inc. gave some type of legal guarantee to the members that their information would never be given out to any third parties, sister companies, etc... or used for any marketing means either would give a little more trust in the Confirmed ID. Also there was idea of a $1.00 mail in for member Confirmed ID that could be used in lieu of copy of the Driver License or Photo ID being sent in.
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Here is an idea to promote the Confirmed ID Ryan, When this site first started out it allowed Standard Members a limited amount of views and emails per week. Why not give Standard Members with Confirmed ID and New Confirmed ID members 3 profile views and emails per week (7day)? 98% of emails that male members send to the females or couples go unanswered anyways. It is just an idea...
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4/30/2009 6:13 pm |
I like to know how can emails i get from men with no pic on or a body pic, can give out there cell numbers and or id for messenger and they don't get it reported for terms of abuse and sent to Bulk Folder? I have had this happen at least 3 times a month and it is on there first email to me. It is hard for any site to block anyone completely from a site, specially with them changing there IP Address as you mentioned. I do know some men and even women put up a fake Pic, is cuz they want discretion, cuz of there work place. I have talked to a few men and women and when I asked on there pic, they told me why. Also they are afraid of being exposed and being fired from there employment. I noticed the Spam Porn Bots has lowered now since you've been working on it Ryan, huge thanks to ya!  friendships is like a diamond, always forever   
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I HAD THIS IDEA AND HAVE FOR A WHILE.... There are SO MANY men trying to just 'get laid' on here because of the 'get laid in 24 hours' thing, and trying to use the filters only goes so far. I truly DO think that we can weed out SOME of the problems by adding THESE buttons to our profile preferences... A - Allow all invites B - Allow those that match your cupid settings to invite C - Don't allow any invites A - Allow all flirts B - Allow those that match your cupid settings to flirt C - Don't allow any flirts SERIOUSLY, there are those that just slam out invites to anyone and everyone to get more pics. I am glad NOT ALL do this, but unfortunately too many DO. As well as with the stupidass flirts. There is a number we have to put in each mail we send to 'stop spammers' yet you can do a search and hit "super flirt" and everyone on the entire PAGE gets it regardless of what they want, like, or are looking for. I KNOW MANY that are sick of this crap. Flirts from billions of miles away, men getting flirts from gay men when they are not gay, people we have already said in our profiles we do NOT want to go out with i.e. married or out of state etc... and none of this stuff is even connected to our cupid settings or anything. I personally would LOVE to be able to shut this crap off 'IF I WANTED TO' and those that want it can keep it. Let US decide!! I do want control over MY profile. And again, there is a certain contingency thinking this is a free whorehouse and just slam every woman they see with emails, flirts, etc... and if they can't email you they go to testimonials/invites (which as a paying member I can control those), or they slam insults in an invite/testimonials because we turned them down and blocked their emails. If I have my cupid settings to NOT get emails from group A.. then isn't it at least logical that group A NOT be allowed to invite me to network or flirt with me too?? I do think this would remove some of the stresses on women getting flooded with worthless crap from those that do NOT read profiles, and possibly get more responses to the men that DO match what we look for as we don't have to weed through the crap daily. Just an idea.
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I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE BUTTONS FOR INVITES/NETWORKING. WHY? BECAUSE I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE JERKY GAY GUYS IGNORING I AM STRAIGHT AND FLIRTING WITH ME AS WELL AS I AM NOT SO STUPID AS TO THINK THAT TATIANA IN RUSSIA IS REALLY GOING TO MEET UP WITH ME WHEN SHE SENDS THAT FLIRTY WINK OR KISS TO ME. ANYTHING FROM OVER SEAS AS A MATTER OF FACT MAKES ME PUT UP A RED FLAG AS I SEE SOMEONE WANTING MONEY TO COME HERE AND THINKING I AM SO STUPID I WILL JUST DROP MONEY ON THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME SEXY HOT ASS PIC UP WITH THEIR TITTIES ALL OVER. I HAVE SEEN TOO MANY PROGRAMS AND KNOW ABOUT THE FAKES/SCAMMERS TO BE THAT STUPID BUT I KNOW THERE ARE THOSE THAT HAVEN'T LEARNED IT YET. I THINK IT WOULD CUT DOWN ON THE STUPIDITY FACTOR AND THOSE THAT ARE THINKING WITH THEIR DICKS, AND THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE AS MUCH TO BITCH ABOUT AS TO WHY WOMEN ARE NOT ANSWERING. AND YEAH, I GET THEM FROM GHANA TOO!!! I VOTE YES TO THE BUTTON IDEA!!
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I am so sick of the guys with the 'hit on everyone and you get lucky' shit. I agree totally, it is not cool to just use me as a fuck because you think this is a fuck site. We can cut that down.
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Quoting Ryan: What are you gonna do to reduce the noise? Some ideas: * Don't let standard members without a pic contact women * Give you the control to turn off Testimonials and Invites * Giving each pic a unique HotMatch ID, if you ever Save As and paste that pic into another profile we'll know. We already control accepting/deleting and showing/hiding of testimonials now. Add a report abuse to the testimonial area or even one main report abuse for the profile, perhaps with a drop down that one can point out which area to be reviewed. Maybe even have it like a check box where you can report several areas, such as the tag line plus the testimonial area. Invites are accepted or denied by the members as well. Why folks complain about these things is beyond me when they already control them. Though the glitch about blank testimonials needs to be fixed. I don't think non-pic profiles is the real issue here. Most of the bot profiles I see have pics. I do agree with more protection against photo theft. Why don't they have that system where you can't right click to take them? Other sites have them to protect against having pics copied & saved. Quoting MyHeart4U: Maybe if Various Inc. gave some type of legal guarantee to the members that their information would never be given out to any third parties, sister companies, etc... or used for any marketing means either would give a little more trust in the Confirmed ID. They put us out on other sister sites now. I seriously doubt they wouldn't use this info for at least their own companies. I'm on their sister lesbian site and what the hell for? I'm not a lesbian nor even curious about it. I'm not sure it fits in, but I think the bots possibly use the super flirt feature. I'm not saying do away with flirts, but the super flirt is just a pain. My suggestion is that for a short period of one to three days, they can put up a profile, watch a cam, read profiles, see a main pic, read blogs, chat, group, magazine or what have you, but not actually post anything. Limit that out the gate and the bots ability to access the other members. Real members will still get a sense of the site and be able to interact after that short time frame. Bots won't have that quick access and this buys the site time to find them before they do anything to anyone else here. Allowing new members to perv all the em's and profiles they want can be a real teaser to upgrading too.
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I'm all for confirmed ID too, btw. There are plenty of ways to have discretion, but like Nick said, there has to be some guarantee of privacy and that it goes no further and is used for the express and sole purpose of verifying member handles with identity.
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Quoting, "Invites are accepted or denied by the members as well. Why folks complain about these things is beyond me when they already control them." I am NOT in control as I have to 'manually' delete or deny everyone that I already said NO to with my cupid settings and it didn't get stopped. You may not complain, but I am complaining as it is a pain in the ass to have to go and keep deleting shit that I already said no to daily. Followed by YES, even "I" get insults from men that don't like I have them blocked out by my cupid settings and they didn't like it. Poor ta ta, but hey, it is MY profile and if I don't want it I shouldn't have to suffer it. Let US decide if we want them or not with the buttons, good idea.
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 >>>Thanks Ryan for getting that BOT I wrote you about today,4/30/09. The last few days I've noticed a vast number of new BOTs in the blogs!I blog/e.m. with several members that are international,but none from ghana.And I do use 'flirts' But I have no real suggestion for stoppng the BOTs. I have a post on my blog about "Rude,Prude Or Stuck Up" To link to this Post ("Rude,Prude Or Stuck Up") use [post 1911442] in your messages It's directed at suppected BOTs,or maybe... Senior Sizzle Parody Of a Real Sex Site 
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Quoting, "Invites are accepted or denied by the members as well. Why folks complain about these things is beyond me when they already control them." I am NOT in control as I have to 'manually' delete or deny everyone that I already said NO to with my cupid settings and it didn't get stopped. You may not complain, but I am complaining as it is a pain in the ass to have to go and keep deleting shit that I already said no to daily. Followed by YES, even "I" get insults from men that don't like I have them blocked out by my cupid settings and they didn't like it. Poor ta ta, but hey, it is MY profile and if I don't want it I shouldn't have to suffer it. Let US decide if we want them or not with the buttons, good idea. I will point out that when they do come in now, on the main invite page, you can do a mass delete of them all right now.
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Fair enough for those that don't want any at all to come in. A feature that allows them to be turned on or off should be easy enough to do. I hope. I will point out that when they do come in now, on the main invite page, you can do a mass delete of them all right now. I am aware that some people just are NOT going to get that others have standards or preferences that do not include them and get pissy over it. But to me this is a lesser evil than having it where they CAN send something to be ignored and bitch out it. Just a thought here!!
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NASCAR...I personally do know this. But my personal point to see on this. Many men are already complaining that women 'don't answer them' and just deleting the invites, I have personally been slammed all over the place for being a bitch and not stating 'why' or 'what was the reason' etc... Then told I was fake and misleading and blah blah blah all because THEY didn't get what THEY wanted and my profile was clear. I know many people that are not looking at all and are swamped with flirts and invites from those that didn't read the profile at all and assumed we all want rampant sex because hell we are here and are horny sluts...lol okay, a little humor there!! But seriously, if a profile says 'no' to something and the filters are set and the cupid settings are on, I do not see WHY a person that is outside of those perimeters should be seeing 'flirts' or 'invite to network'. The 'send email' is not available and I think those should be not available either. Then the men do not have anything to complain that we didn't 'reply to' their emails, flirts, or invites and less of a chance they will feel left out or slighted by a 'no reply' as they do now. I am aware that some people just are NOT going to get that others have standards or preferences that do not include them and get pissy over it. But to me this is a lesser evil than having it where they CAN send something to be ignored and bitch out it. Just a thought here!! My point was and still is, that there are already means to deal with it if the site doesn't add these extra features. If someone doesn't want e-mail, they can set it to not receive or they can simply delete any mail without ever reading it or heck, if they want none at all, don't even go to the inbox. They eventually go away after the time limit. Invites can be easily ignored or deleted and so can testimonials. That is still within every members control. No one is forced to even look at incoming testimonials or invites. The member has to click on that feature to look at them. They don't want them, don't click on it. Your comment also lends to the notion that all unwanted em's, testimonials and invites come with the "wanna fuck" attitude. No, you didn't say that, but it can read that way. That is swinging the pendulum the other direction. If the site can implement the buttons or whatever to turn these things on or off, fine. I don't have a problem with that. However, the previous comment that I responded to made it sound as though we, the members, are forced to accept these things when we are not. If any em, testimonial or invite is so disgusting or abusive that one can't even bear to delete it, then perhaps they should be reporting the "offender" to the site for abuse. The men will continue to complain about not receiving responses to their em's simply because they aren't getting what they perceive they are due. They will continue to complain because the majority of members will keep their em's open to receiving and they will still continue to not respond. Nobody said we had to listen to the whiners. Everyone is free to ignore those who do complain. If they bitch to me directly, I usually explain to them why they are likely not receiving responses and I get thanked for explaining it.
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NASCAR...very well put ma'am.  And I appreciate it totally. So let me take some of this a piece at a time.***There will always be people that find a way to thrust themselves into someone else's space here. It can be reduced, but there will always be a way.*** TRUE, and the reduced part is what I was aiming for. ***Invites can be easily ignored or deleted and so can testimonials. That is still within every members control. *** TRUE again, however, it is also easy to just have a button to say "opt out" or "match my cupid settings" which many will do so it will be closer to a match rather than an influx of what you don't want to have to dig through. As a paying member I shouldn't have to 'ignore' my own emails/testimonials/invites or dig through them when a simple button again would make matches more likely as you would get what you 'want' not just everything that comes down the road. ***Your comment also lends to the notion that all unwanted em's, testimonials and invites come with the "wanna fuck" attitude. No, you didn't say that, but it can read that way. That is swinging the pendulum the other direction. *** I THINK you missed that line of "a little humor there...but seriously" totally. That is WHY I said it. I have outlined that people DO use those to collect pics, to insult and lash out to someone whose profile they did NOT like, and to question why we are even here if we are NOT looking for something. Nowhere did I say or even come close to that it was the 'come f*ck me' mentality other than the ONE LINE that I clearly said was "a little humor there... but seriously". I truly find it sad that we must put disclaimers on the disclaimers. Look at the whole not one line that clearly says "this is a joke!!!" all over it please. ****If the site can implement the buttons or whatever to turn these things on or off, fine. I don't have a problem with that. However, the previous comment that I responded to made it sound as though we, the members, are forced to accept these things when we are not**** The buttons ARE an option and easily implimented. And yes, I do find it 'forced to accept' when again, if I set my cupid settings to say "no one over 50 miles" or "between the ages of 35-40" and I get emails that ARE over 50 miles and ARE say 65 years old anyway. I paid for my membership and do not think if I state what "I" want that I should be receiving something and be told to 'look the other way' which is what deleting it or just not looking at it is. I seriously was getting 100-150 emails A DAY and trying to weed through the ones that I did NOT want was almost impossible for a while. And having an excessive number of invites or testimonials and having to wade through them when they are not in conjunction with my cupid settings for whatever reason is time consuming AND frustrating to say the least. I may want 1 or 2 of them and just having to go through all the over/under ages, out of state, married/no married, etc. is so darned time consuming. I didn't want my membership here to be an all day thing. ***If any em, testimonial or invite is so disgusting or abusive that one can't even bear to delete it, then perhaps they should be reporting the "offender" to the site for abuse. *** ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY!! I never condone that kind of behavior EVER!! But as I said, when I have to wade through the influx of over 100 a day of something and there is no way to narrow that field down it is time consuming and frustrating and makes one NOT want to be here. ***The men will continue to complain about not receiving responses to their em's simply because they aren't getting what they perceive they are due. They will continue to complain because the majority of members will keep their em's open to receiving and they will still continue to not respond. Nobody said we had to listen to the whiners. Everyone is free to ignore those who do complain. If they bitch to me directly, I usually explain to them why they are likely not receiving responses and I get thanked for explaining it.*** THAT is unfortunately a sad truth. I never have and never will dispute that. That line of "they aren't getting what they perceive they are due" is exactly what I was meaning when I made the joke that was missed. Whatever it is that THEY wanted and are not getting will equate to a certain number WILL whine and complain. Like you and many, I also take the time to explain and try to help out. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I am still here on this site honestly. I enjoy whole heartedly helping out. But again, there are those that upon helping STILL say "this is a sex site" and tell me to leave as many of us have been told at one time or another. NO, no one has to listen to them, I agree. I am merely trying to share an idea that I believe will 'cut down on' the number of those complaining, male AND female, with a simple set of options in these buttons. It will help out in the long run, and I am totally aware that it will not fix every problem. NOTHING does everything, but it can be helped and/or cut down. That was what I was aiming for.
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Well Rdy2try4 beat me to answering that. But I must say, even I got the joke part. I must say that although no, not all emails are of the 'wanna fuck' mentality, I have yet to get flamed for anything BUT not wanting to meet for a quick roll in the hay. The day I get an insulting email, testimonial, or invite for that matter when someone has been blocked by me and they write "you fucking bitch how dare you not want to read books with me, you fat ugly dull woman" I will definitely let you know!! hahahaha And that is MORE humor!! clearly posted I hope.
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I got a flirt from Ghana again today... Take away the 'superflirt' option. If these spammers have to send flirts one by one it hopefully will become too cumbersome for them. I would also really really like the possibility to delete flirts one by one, as 1 in 5 flirts are from real persons, and I would like to keep those. Every day new blogs turn up made by a 20 F (F for Fake) with 10-12 posts at once; it'll take a staff member 5 minutes to detect them and delete them before they do what's really annoying: leaving inane comments in real blogs. I once suggested that new members cannot post in other blogs for 7 days; I believe spammers and multi-profilers would not have the patience for that and stay away. <- Profile photo courtesy of Bonding with coworkers
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4/30/2009 11:50 pm |
I feel I need to add here, that paying for membership is no guarantee of altruism! I could tell you many stories, but I'll just keep to that, for now. What I'd really love to see is a way for standard members to report fakes, be they fake profiles or fake pics. (Yes, I know I'm treading of tricky ground there, but I did take all my photos! None are from trawling the internet). There are times when I can even give you website references, if only there was a way I could report them... AND THE WINNER IS ~~~~ [post 2692868]
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5/1/2009 12:35 am |
A site like this is always gonna generate these types of problems. It is tough to avoid for sure. As a newer user it seems like you almost need to build up a rep here first for most things. How about implementing a more sophisticated graduated points system. I want to tell you how, but it seems like the current one does not affect too many things. Maybe I am wrong as I am new...
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 ....what happened to this being about the Fake Profiles & BOTS. Geeeshhh..most of this became more about the rude immature men that email the women...
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Confirm I.D. is the only way to stop these fakes.. in the past 72 hours i have reported 18 profiles for being fake,advertising email,advertising phone numbers,abusive behaviour in chat, banned members on new profiles , etc etc etc..every single report had the proof attached to it, And still these profiles are live.. I think you need more staff to monitor these chat rooms and also read posts as they come in.. It's no skin off my nose to copy/paste and report these members as they are ruining the site for all the good members it has. Why cant Senior Sizzle set up a report abuse blog..that is private to them where members can copy/paste and add to the blog so the proof is all in the one place instead of coming in from so many diffrent profiles.. That way all they do is scroll through these reports and say whether it is worth banning or what action should be taken.. Infact i might just add one myself and forward all reports on a daily basis.. either that or a group..     
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Ok, I have been a member of this site since 1999. I have yet to apply for ConfirnID. And I never will. I once paid for a month of Gold here, just to see what I was missing. I was then repeatedly charged every month, even after I tried to cancel it. Makes me wonder what would happen with a copy of my DL or if I paid $1 by credit card or debit card.... The bot and fakes and spammers will never really stop, as mentioned earlier. They will only get smarter. The best we can do is report them and ignore and delete. And if all else fails, do it the old fashioned way: go to a bar  "Man may have discovered fire, but women discovered how to play with it." — Candace Bushnell  ~~Ashley92577~~
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KEEP IN MIND.... that the buttons I have suggested will help the MEN also. I want to repeat that. IF you have the option to set your flirts/invites to your cupid settings, you will be LESS LIKELY to get that Ghana flirt or Tatiana from Russia invite as TOOSHAY_TURTLE said!!! I am not saying it is impossible for men to get flirts from women overseas. But we know that most of the scammers are from certain countries and many are so far away, it would definitely affect the scammers in how they try to reach the men!!! I most definitely know that men AND women are getting an influx of flirts and such from Germany, Italy, Ghana, Russian, and countries over seas. So as Ryan said... there are two kinds of fakes: 1) Spammers and bots trying to suck you into something. 2) Real people with fake pics, ages, locations. If you put the ability to match your invites/flirts you can let the USER choose just which locations or person's they will accept these things from. Spammers/scammers will be limited on who they are reaching out to by the user themselves. I am not saying it is impossible, but how many truly believe that men/women want you, yes YOU, so bad that even though they are 2000 miles away they just gotta have YOU?? Yes, they are from Ghana but there are no other people around so they contacted YOU. I would like to believe that most men would not dump lots of money to run to these other countries so in reality they could set their flirts/invites to match their cupid settings and it would get them women that ARE more likely to be real and actually get to talk to or meet up with.
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I feel I need to add here, that paying for membership is no guarantee of altruism! I could tell you many stories, but I'll just keep to that, for now. What I'd really love to see is a way for standard members to report fakes, be they fake profiles or fake pics. (Yes, I know I'm treading of tricky ground there, but I did take all my photos! None are from trawling the internet). There are times when I can even give you website references, if only there was a way I could report them... As said previously, add more report abuse links in the areas that bots are likely to put contact info that bypass reviewers. Make reporting abuse easier, on any given profile and also adding a post to site support, or separate blog to report abuse.
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CLOSED [post 1923324] As you will see i have just started a group about abuse and fakes.. There is a link in there for a private blog that will be forwarded to report abuse daily. Ryan if you could get report abuse or yourself add blog for report abuse i will remove the one above and add your one.. that way i dont see what members are reporting.. not that i would say anything..
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This is going to be long, so bear with me. Many people here are correct that there is no way to avoid spammers/scammers. It's a fact of life. What's disgusting is the sheer volume that the men get here. Yah, I looked at my partner's inbox - it's nauseating. So I'm ALL IN on a confirm ID type system. That being said - the current confirm ID system has got to go and I'll tell ya why. Someone already mentioned that the site has an issue with how the site saves Credit Card info and I can't *stress* just how inappropriate and insecure that is. The international web standards for processing credit cards dictates that Senior Sizzle should never store credit card info on site servers. That standard exists to prevent employee theft (of $$ and ID's). Nothing personal against Senior Sizzle'S employees but there's bad apples in every bunch. No matter how well you screen employees, it's still going to happen. Senior Sizzle's customer service reps accesses our account info every time we call in with a problem. God only knows who else has access to that info. I don't know who those people are and yet, they have access to my credit card info from my account? That's exactly why I've been paying for FireDancers3207's gold membership with VISA/MC gift cards. It's why I tell anyone who asks me(us) about upgrading to use those gift cards. You don't keep my credit card information secure or very damned private and you're asking me to send you a photo copy of my ID? GET OUT! As long as this is the status quo - you'll NEVER get buy in from members on the confirm ID program. While I love the idea of there being confirmed standard accounts and unconfirmed standard accounts. Unconfirmed standards not being able to interact but being in a "view only" status. Don't tell me that you'll lose members because that's how it works for every other dating/hook up sites like Match and Lavalife. You'll be one up on them as long as you allow confirmed members to send messages and flirts and invites. I genuinely believe that Soy's idea of a $1 fee to get a confirmed account should minimize the scammers. It's a small enough fee that if you gave confirmed accounts limited access (50 profile views and 10 emails a week plus everything else current standard members enjoy) that a lot of people would do it and feel like it was worth it. I'd like to add something to Soy's idea because I disagree about it minimizing the multi-profiling abusers though. Because there are debit/credit card gift certificates that work the same as credit cards on the back end - charging the fee won't discourage some of those multi-profiling abusers. Quite a few of them really are that broken in the head that they'll blow $25 every month to get 25 confirmed accounts. Soy gives them too much credit in the mental health dept. My thought is that a good way to get around that could be to limit the amount of accounts billed to one credit card # to a max of five. Five being the maximum number of account types any one person could sincerely be involved in. For instance, I have this account, my finacee has his individual account, my couple account and we have a group account (who's profile is off until I have need of it again). We're not running around terrorizing anyone with those accounts and I might not be willing to pay for a membership for any but ONE of those accounts - but I'd pay the four bucks to have them as confirmed accounts. However, since those same gift cards can only be purchased in a minimum of $25 increments - those trying to abuse the system end up paying $5 per confirmed account instead of the one dollar everyone else is. THAT I think is enough to the emotionally defective multi-profiling abusers to make it not worth it. As for the side convo about flirts and hotlists - after that unexpected huge response to my blog post about this subject - I've discovered that it's just like every other part of this site. some of us never even look at it and some of us do. No, we don't HAVE to look at it - but if you are one of those people who does - then there's needs to be a few options available to save you some time and NOT get annoyed with the whole thing. Superflirt HAS to go. You'd swear the damned thing was made just for the scammers. I agree you should be able to opt out if you like. Opting out of those features should work the same as opting out of messages. DO NOT let VIP members override that either. Annoying enough that you allow VIP members to override the message filters. It would be damned handy if you had a button in your flirts/hotlist that would block someone from flirting with you. You should make so that all the block features just block the person and not just take you to your blocked list so you can manually do it (like it does now with messages). it works that way in chat - should work that way everywhere else. Being able to just clear the "who's hotlisted you" thing would be great. I hate looking at that list cuz there's some downright skeery and creepy people in there. Yah, ok, I'm done now, thanks for bearing with me or not. The only thing I HAVE to do is eat, shit, and die. Everything else is a choice.
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