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Getting Over on the System  

myelin36 53F
4614 posts
4/13/2016 5:15 pm
Getting Over on the System

One article should be attached. Disclaimer: thoughts and opinions expressed in the article do not imply that I support the content. Curious minds want to know what you think. I posted this with the intent to engage bloggers in a thought-provoking discussion.


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DoctorBooty 43M
6426 posts
4/13/2016 5:20 pm

I've seen someone game the system this way and it does work. Its sickening.


moltenpassion 50M
456 posts
4/13/2016 5:36 pm

I think that sort of happens. I mean, the college money doesn't last forever. But I will say that has ZERO to do with this country being in debt. Many countries around the world pay for all those things without it having to be a game. The US spends more on its military than any other country, in a very big way. And maybe you heard about the Panama Papers? I'm sorry, but blaming poor people for macroeconomic issues is just silly.


myelin36 replies on 4/13/2016 6:43 pm:
Who said I was blaming? I shared an article and asked for comments. That does not mean I completely agree with everything the article suggests. The point I was trying to make is how easy one can abuse the system.

pagancountrygirl 66F
6466 posts
4/13/2016 5:54 pm

For someone who truly needs the help, I'm glad the government will help them. For those that the article is talking about, sorry but my meager paycheck is stretched so thin from this type of abuse I can't afford healthcare for myself! Just where the hell am I supposed to go for help???

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myelin36 replies on 4/13/2016 6:41 pm:
I can relate. I have huge student loan debt (I am a single parent and have been while getting both degrees). Our healthcare system is definitely broken. Case in point: you can go to Brazil and get a total hip replacement for around 7500 but here in the US that same hip replacement costs over 40,000!

djamesc45 54M
825 posts
4/13/2016 6:06 pm

There will alway be people and corporations that abuse the system. But there are people in need sometime in their life that need the services and don't abuse them. I'm a veteran and work with veteran that have come back from overseas to no job and a family to support. Do you think they want to live on the system?


myelin36 replies on 4/13/2016 6:48 pm:
I'm a veteran too and I can understand the federal government has a responsibility to help vets who truly need it. After returning from my tour of duty, I was encouraged by a veteran's organization to lie to get service connected disability payments related to my service during Desert Storm. Of course I would never do that but sometimes our government makes it too easy for people to abuse the system!

GimmeAThrill 55M  
24635 posts
4/13/2016 6:59 pm

I'm reading the responses, and I wonder how many of the responders were christian, and why do they hate it when their government does christian things? Don't they want more god in government? Does that mean the government won't do these things anymore?

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/13/2016 7:32 pm

People will take advantage of any system that has cracks in it, and since people devise the system, there will always be cracks. But I'm a lot less concerned about welfare cheats, which is really the target of this article, than I am about corporate cheats and their lackeys in government who funnel billions in taxpayer funds to those corporations, not in any attempt to improve the lives of citizens, whether misguided or not, but simply to legally steal from working people. The system is rigged to begin with. The law is written by the rich for the rich. You can steal or defraud the public of trillions of dollars in wealth and still get a bonus from the financial institution that employs you (and that incidentally tanked our economy) thanks to a taxpayer funded bailout, but if you stick up a liquor store you're going to jail. I'm not suggesting that holding up liquor stores is a Godly way to live, but I am suggesting that there are some seriously skewed priorities at work here. Make the punishment fit the crime, anyone?

Poor people play the system because it's a way to put more wealth in their pockets. Why is it seen as a crime when they do it, but seen as sharp business practice when General Electric does it? Because General Electric purchased lawmakers to write the laws they want. Fuck the poor.

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moltenpassion 50M
456 posts
4/13/2016 7:42 pm

This is just divide and conquer political nonsense. It has already been pointed out that the article is exaggerating. Yes, it is sad people game the system. I have a hard time not smacking young men who break out their Oregon Trail card to buy chocolate. But the people taking the scraps are literally the smallest of the problem. The military and the corporation take most of the tax dollars. Bring back real manufacturing jobs instead of sending them overseas to make the well off even richer and these things wouldn't happen so much.


redrockrascal 65M
23580 posts
4/13/2016 7:43 pm

I would have no problem with the government cleaning up the fraud (some of what the article lists but not all) and tightening up the rules. But no completely eliminating programs that actually help people who need a leg up. The welfare system(s) need the same tune ups. With what is saved more investigators could be hired to curb the fraud.

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leftbehind62 62M  
2121 posts
4/13/2016 8:47 pm

Using the system like this really sucks! Especially when done by people who are just lazy and looking for a free ride! Not sure how many people that really includes but it sucks! Lol! Throw in too many people with money stating the " Christian" thing to do or the "humane" thing yet they are not willing to cut back their lifestyle and forfeit extra funds and everyone else is stuck in the middle taking it! Lmfao! Of course I don't have a very strong opinion either way! and I lost at the casino tonight and cannot find anyone to hang out with. Lol oh well! hugs


ProfPlayful 53M
3861 posts
4/13/2016 9:15 pm

This article is inflammatory nonsense. Fraud is a crime. We cannot fight crime by eliminating good faith programs that help people.

And the statistics cited are ridiculous. "Half the population is sitting around letting the other half pay their way?" Absurd! What is the source for this . . . information? (I use that term loosely).

In fact per capita productivity in the U.S. remains one of the highest in the world. There is plenty of evidence that the overwhelming proportion of Americans are working. Hard.

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positively4you 74F  
4605 posts
4/13/2016 10:52 pm

The feds will never show the true numbers because they are the ones fucking it up. It could be worse than what you think or see in that article. The sad thing is the moocher class is stealing funds that could go to the true needy. Yes, time to clean house. But, that will never happen. Just wait for them to die off and hope for a better class of inefficiency to move in.


08540Tantrafun 60M  
1072 posts
4/14/2016 12:11 am

The article is an exaggeration, though mostly true. A few million scams the system. In a 17 trillion dollar economy that is just peanuts. Massive wealth transfer is taking place from poor and middle class to upper middle class and upper upper class. There are two America's, the haves and the have-nots. Marco Rubio's "America is a nation of Haves and soon to have" did not resonate at all.

The real tragedy is the working poor. Especially white women. They are dying en-mass and corporate media won't cover it. University of Washington study found that women in hundreds of U.S. counties, including nearly a third of those in Texas, had a shorter life expectancy in 2007 than in 1997.

In 2012 life expectancy for white women without a high school diploma was 73.5 years, compared with 83.9 years for white women with a college degree or more. In 2010, American women fell to 41st place, down from 14th place in 1985, in the United Nations rankings. It is getting much worse.

Deloitte LLP’s global financial consulting group estimates that in 2020 about 20.6 million American millionaires will hold $87 trillion in wealth, up from the 10.5 million American millionaires who held $39 trillion in wealth in 2011.

Once the top ten percent takes over 75% of wealth, the rest 90%(poor and working poor) are fighting for and stealing from each other, the available 25%. That 25% available to 90%'ers is shrinking even further.

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4/14/2016 2:50 am

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Golly06 71M
1932 posts
4/15/2016 8:35 am

There is NOT ONE corporation or one corporate lawyer who would argue against this. This is just good business! Funny that the Supreme Court would rule corporations have the rights of a person, and yet people are upset when a person behaves like a corporation.

The other thing that is ironic in the article, is that corporations are benefiting from this system, because they don't have to provide healthcare benefits as they did in the past, and they can keep paying low wages and let society pay the difference.

I hear more people yap about the poor ( yes we are talking about poor people or socially disenfranchised who are forced into the system), than I hear yap about all the corporations that shield their earnings in "offshore" accounts or send jobs overseas or take advantage of one-sided trade agreements.

The people in the article AND the corporations are both operating legally, so why should we get upset with one and not the other? For one thing, there is a media campaign to blame the poor for their condition, which serves to take the focus off of Corporate America. Why a media campaign? Because Corporate America needs your votes to maintain politicians in Washington who will continue to support their business agenda. This is a fact you can check: Laws are written by corporate lobbyists and then handed to politicians to vote on, and you can bet some big money goes into campaign funds for those votes!

*Insert sincere smile here* Yes, we do need business in America. Yes, we do need people in America, hopefully working people. Yes, there are some that take advantage of the system, but some that are just stuck in the system with no way out. What we need most is a return to ethics; just because it is legal does not mean it is good. We need to focus on long-term goals and not short-term gains. We need to make workers just as important as shareholders. We need leaders in government who can get us there.

Those are my thoughts for the discussion.


tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
4/15/2016 7:49 pm

    Quoting GimmeAThrill:
    I'm reading the responses, and I wonder how many of the responders were christian, and why do they hate it when their government does christian things? Don't they want more god in government? Does that mean the government won't do these things anymore?
I like your comment. I think the Christians you are referring to want the people to come begging at their church so they can convert them and lead them to God. They won't of course give them the level of help they need though.

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tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
4/15/2016 7:55 pm

    Quoting kzoopair:
    People will take advantage of any system that has cracks in it, and since people devise the system, there will always be cracks. But I'm a lot less concerned about welfare cheats, which is really the target of this article, than I am about corporate cheats and their lackeys in government who funnel billions in taxpayer funds to those corporations, not in any attempt to improve the lives of citizens, whether misguided or not, but simply to legally steal from working people. The system is rigged to begin with. The law is written by the rich for the rich. You can steal or defraud the public of trillions of dollars in wealth and still get a bonus from the financial institution that employs you (and that incidentally tanked our economy) thanks to a taxpayer funded bailout, but if you stick up a liquor store you're going to jail. I'm not suggesting that holding up liquor stores is a Godly way to live, but I am suggesting that there are some seriously skewed priorities at work here. Make the punishment fit the crime, anyone?

    Poor people play the system because it's a way to put more wealth in their pockets. Why is it seen as a crime when they do it, but seen as sharp business practice when General Electric does it? Because General Electric purchased lawmakers to write the laws they want. Fuck the poor.
Amen!!!

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tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
4/15/2016 8:05 pm

You know this is a gross exaggeration... at least I hope you know.

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myelin36 replies on 4/16/2016 5:11 am:
Of course I know this is an exaggerated article. I am not interested in the figures as much as I am your opinions on people that get over on the system.

passionateaction 54M
1575 posts
4/16/2016 5:27 am

Karma catches up through the trashing of the currency and lowered real standard of living and real value of things. We're living an illusion


KItkat1415 61F  
20051 posts
5/1/2016 8:37 am

As a college trained journalist (but never worked as one ) I think I can explain the extreme reactions that you received by some people to your posting this "article" without qualifying opinion- this thpe of misinformation articles float around without citation or back-up notations to allow real facts to be verified. When one posts these things, again without refuting it or supporting it, people react to it in an "echo chamber" kind of way. Whatever that they believe, they will project onto you or in this case. The blog post.

I find these things offensive (but I am not offended by you posting this as you were clear from what little you wrote that you were looking for reactions to it) because so many people read things on the Internet and decide that they are true simply because it is in a form like this. To them, it must be true because someone took the time to write this.

I have friends in the sector that is referenced in this "article". They do not get the assistance that they need, but they get some help. They struggle to get through each month and cannot get out of the hole of debt that they are sinking into.
I find some of your readers opinions interesting, others are a bit alarming.

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myelin36 replies on 5/1/2016 2:56 pm:
This was one man's opinion written into a newspaper. I can see your point in not citing the reference and how that has some influence.

I was pretty angered at reading this but did not want my opinion to influence the responders. That's primarily why I decided to wait. I was curious what reactions the article would guage in others and perhaps add a lively discussion. Thanks for stopping by and weighing in.

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