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Kansas Is Making It Harder For Transgenders To Change Their Gender on Their Birth Certificate  

myelin36 53F
4615 posts
4/7/2016 4:58 am
Kansas Is Making It Harder For Transgenders To Change Their Gender on Their Birth Certificate


Transgenders seeking to change their gender on their birth certificate seem to be encountering a roadblock in Kansas.

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — Gov. Sam Brownback’s administration is moving forward with a policy change that would make it harder for transgender people to change their gender on their birth certificates.

The Wichita Eagle reports that under current regulations, one can change the gender listed on his or her birth certificate by showing medical paperwork that indicates an anatomical or physiological change occurred.

The governor’s administration has proposed changing the regulations so that the gender on a person’s birth certificate can only be changed if the person signs an affidavit saying the gender was incorrectly recorded on the original certificate and also provides medical records backing up that claim.

The change developed by the Kansas Department of Health and Environment seems to block transgender people from changing their birth certificates after transitioning.

As a therapist who works with transgenders prior to reassignment surgery this infuriates me. Why do states feel the need to interfere with people's private personal lives? What say you?

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snowbird817 61F  
337 posts
4/7/2016 5:13 am

I honestly didn't think Brownback could dig his whole any deeper but there he goes, proving me wrong. Hopefully the people of Kansas will kick his sorry as to OZ and take their state back.

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GimmeAThrill 55M  
24635 posts
4/7/2016 5:20 am

Kansas always seems to do the most ass-backwards shit. They are the reason Pastafarianism exists. And why is Brownback still governor after his tax policies made the state broke?

It will hurt your state. Stay afraid, Kansas. Businesses will leave. But you keep your fear.

And it's all about the GOP trying to hold on to a shrinking group of voters. The socially conservatives. the evangelicals. The people who think that because they believe, they have the right to turn their beliefs into somebody else's facts.

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DoctorBooty 43M
6426 posts
4/7/2016 5:56 am

Seems like revisionist history to me. If you were born one way and want to change it, I don't care, but you can't go back and change how you were born. You shouldn't be altering the birth certificate either way.


ProfPlayful 53M
3861 posts
4/7/2016 6:34 am

I'm trying to stand back and be objective here, but I must be missing something. Once a person has grown to adulthood, what is the purpose of the gender as recorded on the birth certificate? Does the state have some compelling interest in maintaining that data point on that particular document? What could it possibly be?

As with any medical, surgical, or therapeutic procedure, it's important to keep clinical records. But I think a birth certificate is more a document of identity than a medical record. If someone does not like one of the data fields that defines their identity then why not let them change it?

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redrockrascal 65M
23580 posts
4/7/2016 9:27 am

Why do states feel the need to interfere with people's private personal lives?
It is about power/control. One group of people, and their beliefs, thinking that they are "better" than another and wanting to control them.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

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Golly06 71M
1932 posts
4/7/2016 1:15 pm

And another issue pops up that I hadn't considered before. I am surprised that one can even change their birth certificate for any reason. Actually, I only use my birth certificate when I renew an expired passport, so it is not like a driver's license I pull out a couple of times a month. Not to be insensitive, and if I appear to be it is out of ignorance, not out of intolerance (love ya, Michelle [old friend]), but I don't see why an amended document or an addendum would not suffice?

But, if this is the norm, then I am not in favor of a lot of red tape. Both before and after require medical paperwork to be presented? But the new law will require an affidavit as well...so just a signature on a piece of paper? Is there a certain parameter as what constitutes a change in anatomy or physiology?

But! But! What about those who identify with other than their assigned sex and do not choose to change their anatomy or physiology? Are they to be discriminated against? Are they any less, of the woman or the man they are, because they didn't make physiological changes? Shouldn't there be psychological medical paperwork that they could use to change their birth certificate? What if they can't afford doctors?...

Why does government raise property taxes on people that can't afford it, because development in their neighborhood is targeted towards the affluent, basically robbing them of their homes?

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tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
4/7/2016 1:51 pm

Have you noticed how it is the religious right wing that wants to shove their way of life down everybody's throats whether they like it or not. They are so convinced that GOD is the determining factor on how everyone must live their lives that they don't even stop to think about how ridiculous the things they say or do are. They actually believe the Bible was written by GOD or by people who are hearing the word of GOD. How could they possibly be wrong with GOD on their side.

I had my name changed when I was a teenager and it was supposed to have been updated at the town clerks office where I was born after we had filed the paperwork there. I have had a small wallet sized card/birth certificate, from that office, that I have been carrying around since I was 16. The regular birth certificate with the changed name had been lost years ago. I took that card with the state seal impressed on it with me when I went to the same town clerks office a couple years ago to get an enhanced drivers license. They didn't know what it was and didn't have any listing of me under the new name. I was there to get a copy of my birth certificate for the enhanced license. If I hadn't had the copy of my name change from the court house where I had my name changed I wouldn't have been able to get a copy of my birth certificate with the name I was born with as I wouldn't have had anyway to prove who I was. They were supposed to have changed their records when we were there back in the seventies but apparently didn't even though they had issued me a birth certificate and the card with my new name on it. So now if I leave the country I'm supposed to carry a copy of the name change document at least until I go back and file the name change with the town clerks office where I was born or I might get delayed a bit at the border or so they told me. It seems when I file the name change at the town clerks office they will no longer have any record of my birth under the name I was born with... that part of my history will be deleted So I haven't got around to going back there to delete my past officially.

I think from the point of view of keeping official records that it would be better to keep records of changes but to also keep the original records but I'm not so sure if they do that or not at this point after my experience.

I think they should certainly allow people to change their gender on their birth certificate but that a record of that change should be kept. The new certificate should not have any indication of the change having been made as it isn't really anybody's concern but the person and the official record. I do think it is important to keep accurate records.

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DoctorBooty 43M
6426 posts
4/7/2016 4:36 pm

    Quoting  :

I understand all I need to understand about the laws of nature.

The BC is and should be issued on the biological gender. In cases of hermaphroditism, then it can be decided later.


oldbstrd55 67M
3292 posts
4/7/2016 7:22 pm

There's mot much that our fine governor does that doesn't irritate me. While most states take steps forward some choose to run backwards.


ironman2769 58M  
12877 posts
4/7/2016 9:24 pm

For some reason they think they can control.....what people want...

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39lawless 58F
6864 posts
4/8/2016 5:39 am

This is another thing that I shake my head and repeat multiple times...I don't understand. To me, this isn't any different than the bathroom issue, gay marriage, interracial marriage...shall I go on? It's straight up ignorant. And it's fuels hate.

I thought the whole idea was less government...ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. I'm going to leave it at that. I can feel a rant building. xoxo

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/8/2016 9:25 pm

States don't feel the need, but other people do. It ought to be easy enough to amend a birth certificate to indicate a gender reassignment. Failing that small concession, a human being ought to be able to decide for himself, or herself, what gender they are. Gender is about more than body parts. Gender has been ambiguous in many cases from time immemorial. There was a time that such individuals were seen as unique and therefore special, as if they had, through their unique gender, a different sight, or vision, if you prefer. One of the goals of transgender groups in identifying so many different gender permutations is to point out the futility of categorizing people. Of course there are always going to be people who insist that "But we've always done it this way before!" and will resist any change that upsets their world view. If Americans truly celebrate the individual as much as they pretend to, it should be pretty easy to just let individuals make the decision themselves. That's my personal view. I don't see why the state, or the bureaucrats who manage it, or the political hacks who manipulate it, should be allowed to make such an issue of it. Whether I think of myself as male or female or anything in between is not up to popular vote. It's up to me.

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